Commons:Categories for discussion/2024/06/Category:Controversial sexual and gender identities

Category:Controversial sexual and gender identities

Is there any agreement on which categories should be placed here? This honestly feel very random. Like why are Femboy, Incest, Incel and Skoliosexuality even located here?

One of the files in the category is directly related to zoophilia. Considering this is a subcategory of both Gender identity, Sexual orientation and LGBT i'm not really a fan of what this is implying. Trade (talk) 01:30, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

Another file, a symbol that explicitly represents pedophilia is also located in the category--Trade (talk) 01:49, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

From the Village pump @Omphalographer, Adamant1, and Jmabel: --Trade (talk) 01:32, 9 June 2024 (UTC)

•  Delete Thanks for the ping. The best option here is to just delete it per my comment on the Village Pump. Although I can understand why it was created, but categories like this are just to arbitrary. --Adamant1 (talk) 02:36, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment This category is for sexual and gender identities (not necessarily LGBT+) that are of disputed legitimacy. For example most people consider pedophilia to be a mental illness but some pedophiles consider it a legitimate sexual orientation; on a less controversial basis many people consider sapiosexuality to be pretentious and exclusionary and therefore not a true sexual orientation; and in another direction entirely incels view themselves as having an unwanted sexual stigma that forms part of their identity, while the general public views them as merely a bunch of self-hating misogynists that can’t get laid. If you want to delete this, fine, but I hope I cleared up the reasoning behind the category and why it’s not “random” or unfortunately implicated. Perhaps “fringe/disputed sexual and gender identities” would be a better category? Dronebogus (talk) 12:05, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
•  Delete "Controversial" sounds like a not neutral description to me --PantheraLeo1359531 😺 (talk) 14:06, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
•  Delete Several subcategories don't belong there and the Category:Harmful sexual identities‎ doesn't belong into Category:LGBT-related controversies. Maybe there is be something missing in the latter cat after deletion, I don't know but the category as is is not appropriate. --Prototyperspective (talk) 15:09, 9 June 2024 (UTC)
•  Opinion This is indeed arbitrary, one is just fetish-y, and some others have nothing to do with identity. And they are all categorized as gender identities when most of them are not genders, and femboy is treated as a sexual orientation too.  Selective merge with sexual identity, sexual orientation, gender, gender expression, or gender identity, depending on the context, and cat:sexual controversies for superstraight and cat:taboos for incest. I also think fictosexuality isn't supposed to be controversial.   Queer heterosexuality has a controversial history according to their article in Wikipedia.
•  Delete How controversial a topic is varies over time and perspective and is extremely difficult to scientifically measure. Thus it is almost impossible to be objective and makes a very bad basis for sub-categorization of a topic. It is also certainly not a good realm for Commons to be in the business of defining what is or is not controversial within any topic, and certainly within the topic of sexuality. Josh (talk) 15:51, 10 June 2024 (UTC)